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Post  MrToddington on Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:01 pm

Current status: UNFINISHED


Voice type: A Pleasant Shade of Tenor
Vocal range: C2-G♯5

Significant high notes:

  • G♯5 ("The Ivory Gate of Dreams", "Nothing Left To Say")
  • F♯5 ("In A Word", "The Ivory Gate of Dreams", "Nothing Left To Say", "Shades of Heavenly Death", "Static Acts")
  • F5 ("Anarchy Divine", "The Arena", "The Eleventh Hour", "Shades of Heavenly Death", "Saints in Hell", "Silent Cries", "Taste")
  • E5 ("Closer to the Heart", "Eye to Eye", "Part of the Machine", "Saints in Hell", "Shades of Heavenly Death", "Through Different Eyes")
  • E♭5 ("Anarchy Divine", "In A Word", "Sign of the Southern Cross")
  • D5 ("Blink of an Eye", "Point of View", "The Eleventh Hour", "You're Awake")
  • C♯5 ("A Pleasant Shade of Gray Part III", "A Pleasant Shade of Gray Part XI", "Life in Still Water")
  • C5 ("Blink of an Eye", "Monster")
  • B4 ("A Pleasant Shade of Gray Part XI", "Down to the Wire", "Face the Fear", "Hold the Line", "One", "Outside Looking In", "Sign of the Southern Cross", "The Light and Shade of Things", "White Flag", "You're Awake")
  • B♭4 ("And Yet it Moves", "Bear Your Cross", "Desire", "From the Rooftops", "I Am", "Into the Black", "One Thousand Fires", "Pale Fire", "The Light and Shade of Things", "The Perfect Star")
  • A4 ("Don't Follow Me", "Falling Star", "Firefly", "Heal Me", "I Am", "Island in the Stream", "Kneel and Obey", "Like Stars Our Eyes Have Seen", "Murders in the Rue Morgue", "One Thousand Fires", "Pale Fire", "Still Remains", "So", "You're Awake")

Significant low notes:

  • E3 ("A Pleasant Shade of Gray Part XII", "Heal Me", "We Only Say Goodbye")
  • E♭3 ("A Handful of Doubt", "From the Rooftops", "River Wide Ocean Deep", "The Light and Shade of Things")
  • D3 ("The Eleventh Hour", "The Strand")
  • C♯3 ("The Light and Shade of Things", "The Perfect Star", "Wish")
  • C3 ("Falling Star", "So", "Still Remains", "Lighthouse", "Tree of Life", "Taste", "The Perfect Star")
  • B2 ("A Pleasant Shade of Gray Part VI", "Monument", "Falling Star")
  • B♭2 ("Wish")
  • F2 (Sung in Interview (Making of Parallels Documentary))
  • C2 ("Monster")

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*Italics mark non-sung notes.
*Green marks harsh/distorted notes.
*Blue marks soft falsetto notes.
*Grey marks clearly pitched vocal notes.


Ray Alder is the vocalist of the band Fates Warning, joining them in 1987. He is also the vocalist for Redemption, and Engine. Had very powerful highs early on, but has lost much of this in recent years. Still a good vocalist, but rarely goes into the fifth octave anymore.






Areas still to check:

  • All Engine albums.
  • Fates Warning albums "Inside Out", "FWX".


Notes unsure about:

  • The start of the Redemption song "Blink of an Eye" may only get to F♯2, need someone to confirm.


Other comments:
Ray Alder definitely has more lows (especially more recently), and that's the area that really needs the most work.


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Re: Ray Alder

Post  colin040 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:11 am

Guy definitely lost his entire high register I'm afraid. I quite dig his vocals on Perfect Symmetry though, which were a lot better than on No Exit where his voice sounded quite immature and he came off pretty rushed.

Some notes that I found

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI0bfPf88Qk 0:30 C5?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8eqffFh1kk 0:48-0:53

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhosW4bAInI Same song here and Ray apparently tries hitting these notes. I have trouble hearing wheather he succeeds or goes for some nonmodal screaming though. Could anyone check this please?

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Re: Ray Alder

Post  MrToddington on Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:37 pm

colin040 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI0bfPf88Qk 0:30 C5?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8eqffFh1kk 0:48-0:53

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhosW4bAInI Same song here and Ray apparently tries hitting these notes. I have trouble hearing wheather he succeeds or goes for some nonmodal screaming though. Could anyone check this please?

First one is a B4. Second one has strained C#5s, which I'll add to the OP.

The third clip sounds like D5s (they're playing the song half a step down too), but no idea if they're modal or not. Not really worth listing.

Thanks for the help. Smile
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Re: Ray Alder

Post  Zedd Squared on Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:59 pm

Some other lows:
-C3 ("Still Remains")
-B2 ("Monument")
-B♭2 ("Wish")
-F#2 ("Leave the Past Behind")
And here's time stamps for proof in the same order listed as above.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7qbBtXULOQ 1:26
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZgNwTZ6rB0 0:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfRwrIp9g4o 0:59 and a number of other times too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwSft8zNaS0 0:43 (Kinda whispery though)

Also I agree with him being a LT. If you want to count D3's there's a number of solid ones in The Eleventh Hour ("but somehow that vision has dIED").
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Re: Ray Alder

Post  colin040 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:39 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-qHxZWqUyo

Maybe it's nothing special, but what does he hit at 3:50?
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Re: Ray Alder

Post  MrToddington on Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:50 pm

colin040 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-qHxZWqUyo

Maybe it's nothing special, but what does he hit at 3:50?
I can't hear anything in that video. Sad
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Re: Ray Alder

Post  colin040 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:18 am

Oh, the Op says that Ray rarely goes into the 5th octave anymore but are you aware of any recent clips of him actually hitting 5th octave notes? My link of the Pleasant Shade of Grey is the only one I'm aware of. The guy's a good example of someone who fucked his vocal up through smoking. Durrr
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Re: Ray Alder

Post  Guest on Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:59 am

On the bright side, at least smoking helped him look cool while loitering outside pubs and clubs Smile
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Post  Guest on Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:07 am

Laughing
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Post  MrToddington on Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:07 pm

colin040 wrote:Oh, the Op says that Ray rarely goes into the 5th octave anymore but are you aware of any recent clips of him actually hitting 5th octave notes? My link of the Pleasant Shade of Grey is the only one I'm aware of. The guy's a good example of someone who fucked his vocal up through smoking. Durrr

He hit a D5 in the last Redemption album, which was less than two years ago. Cool

Though, in fairness, it wasn't anywhere near the standard of 20-25 years ago...


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Re: Ray Alder

Post  colin040 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:18 pm

MrToddington wrote:
colin040 wrote:Oh, the Op says that Ray rarely goes into the 5th octave anymore but are you aware of any recent clips of him actually hitting 5th octave notes? My link of the Pleasant Shade of Grey is the only one I'm aware of. The guy's a good example of someone who fucked his vocal up through smoking. Durrr

He hit a D5 in the last Redemption album, which was less than two years ago. Cool

EDIT: Nvm, thought ''Blink of an Eye'' was a Fates Warning number for a second, hence I wasn't aware of it.
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Post  axisundone on Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:28 am

colin040 wrote:The guy's a good example of someone who fucked his vocal up through smoking. Durrr

I think smoking played a part in Ray's vocal decline, though it can't be entirely blamed - in an interview with Bill Martin for the book 'Pro Secrets Of Heavy Rock Singing' he admitted to having injured his voice more than once through poor technique in his high register and deliberate constriction/throat tightening when distorting notes. A real shame. Remember guys, good sound doesn't always equal good technique!
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Re: Ray Alder

Post  Spydr on Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:31 am

A guy I know once said he gave him a word of advice about singing, and it was to "Never smoke".

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Re: Ray Alder

Post  colin040 on Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:45 am

Regarding high notes: what do you think of the idea of adding A4's and Bb4's?
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Post  Zedd Squared on Wed Oct 16, 2013 11:20 am

Yeah I'd say his really good A4-B4 notes from post Perfect Symmetry era or so are quite significant. Also his Engine discography could use more note watching since the lows in that are pretty good from what I've checked so far.
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Re: Ray Alder

Post  colin040 on Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:24 am

Also has A4s in ''Still Remains'' I believe.
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Post  Sad Wings on Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:36 am

Ray totally nailed those high vocals.

http://picosong.com/qD9D/

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Post  MrToddington on Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:30 pm

Sad Wings wrote:Ray totally nailed those high vocals.

http://picosong.com/qD9D/
Hey, I was looking for this. Thanks for posting it! Smile

Really impressive E5s in that, especially since it seems it was recorded in 1997?
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Post  Sad Wings on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:58 am

You´re welcome.

Yes, (If I´m not wrong) it was recorded in 1997.

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Re: Ray Alder

Post  colin040 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:29 am

Heh, only a few years later his high register was completely gone. Sad how that works.

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Post  Akke920 on Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:18 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z6bbMvKBys

At 4:35. Pretty tough to hear anything since it's not the best recording Razz

Thought it was interesting since that was recorded in 2012, anyone who can pitch it?

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Post  colin040 on Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:35 am

I hear a shrieky E5!
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Post  Spydr on Fri Dec 27, 2013 5:07 am

A tenor eh? always felt like a higher baritone to me but that makes sense. His singing on Parallels was really something else.

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Post  colin040 on Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:07 am

Spydr wrote:A tenor eh? always felt like a higher baritone to me but that makes sense. His singing on Parallels was really something else. .

Ehh I don't know....to me he never sounded too original and always had some sort of tone that other vocalists sort of shared (Geoff Tate, Michael Kiske, that dude from Screamer named Michael Schantek, probably some other 80's metal vocalists I can't come up with now.)) I like his singing on Pefect Symmetry quite a bit though. Sounds like he really felt his comfortable range of singing there with strong screams and nice pleasant clean singing.

Spydr wrote:
All my favorite singers are tenors... always. I hate being a baritone.

Lets not turn this thread into that shit.
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Post  R.I.P. Rapport Rapturer on Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:16 am

Spydr wrote:All my favorite singers are tenors... always. I hate being a baritone.

A brief question: who are your favourite singers?
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